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PostPosted: Fri Jul 10, 2015 10:49 pm
I myself think that we both ought to buy the 130 anniv. museum model and I am going to guess it could be sold for what we would pay for them. Again right around $100. The 75th anniv. model is so good we bought a number of them and they are already distributed. Everyone who took a crack at them was very impressed! I also got some tin art etc. and that was received in very good shape again from the Rogers, Arkansas museum. The Joe Murfin book DAISY, It ALL Starts Right Here..... I got also and that is quite a resource in itself.
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PostPosted: Sat Jul 11, 2015 7:53 am
I am too "Old School" to warm up to plastic parts on firearms and air guns. Fact, I do not like ramp front sights, cross-bolt or tang safeties on levers. It is just me. I can live with them, just do not care for them.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 5:08 am
I assume you are using peep sights like Skinner or Ghost Rings on your lever action rifles? The thing I don't use on lever actions are scopes. Fine on a Model 70, but I prefer lever actions pretty much 1873 style. Sighting in yet another Red Ryder BB Gun today with our 11 year old relative. Then we are going to the range and take a few shots with probably an Ultimate Shadow .243 and a Super grade .243 Model 70 both we'll shoot at just 100 yards.
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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 6:12 am
No peeps, rings, scopes, etc. I prefer the iron sights that are original to the gun. Guns with extra holes and mods are okay for the original owner, but not for me. Don't care for slings either. If I were a hunter or competitive shooter, most if not all of my peeves would change to suit these actions.
PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 1:47 pm
I prefer both Iron Sights and Optics...depending on the application / target

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 3:52 pm
We did a field test of the Daisy 75th Anniv. Red Ryder. I will post a few photos tonight. The results to me were astonishing. I set up the "range" for the Daisy recommended distance and cardboard and stake supported so the BBs would not be bouncing back at us. My youngest grandson (6'3" and 22) was the instructor, and our shooting lad Adin is 10 years old. They BOTH own red Ryder BB Guns so I WAS THE NOVICE. They quickly switched to about 18 meters. We were shooting at regulation paper targets for 50 yard small bore. Both Alex and Adin were shooting very well. I was surprised that the lever action takes quite a crank to properly cock the BB. Smoke comes out the barrel with every shot.

I tried several shots and then read the Daisy instructions again. Then I got out a couple of Stewarts small plastic empty containers 2" in diameter. At 18 meters I could hit the target every shot off hand. I was quite impressed that this was quiet and the 1930 design air rifle that accurate! I also concluded that was pretty inexpensive fun. The nearest house from mine is 1/2 mile but I always wonder if shooting range noise doesn't get noticed. We did quite a bit of shooting at low expense and it does get you better at off hand steady shooting. I don't own a SINGLE Model 70 without a scope. They are incredibly accurate, but they do make a racket when the range is hot. I also know some modern air rifles that are more expensive are wonderfully accurate. It's just nice to see lever action history so well preserved by Daisy. It also makes me realize despite being a veteran and a veteran shooter that my BB experience is minimal. I feel it is too bad Winchester is not making a 9422 anymore.

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PostPosted: Sun Jul 12, 2015 4:46 pm
NRA BB Gun ranges are for 5 meters. I myself tried that range but it is pretty close. Anything under 10 meters seemed OK and we settled on something over 10 meters. Obviously this shooting was experimental as I had almost no BB Gun background and I "built" the range for the standard distance but my two shooters were used to shooting further. I still have yet to find the trajectory data on BBs with a muzzle velocity of between 303 and 315 fps. Out to somewhat further than 10 meters the drop was not all that great. The furthest I experimented with was 18 meters. The 1938 Red Ryder handled ranges at say 10 plus meters very well I thought.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:29 am
WHOA! Now this is a Daisy report I can relate to. Thanks to you and your shooting associated for this read.

Here's a tip your associates might know from their experience with the Red Ryder. Do a fuzzy estimate to the number of BBs you will probably use during a single shoot. Place the estimate in a lint-free cloth or strong paper towel. Add a few drops of gun oil or pellet gun chamber oil to the BBs. Closed the cloth or paper towel around the estimate and roll them around a bit. Use these treated BBs for smoother cycling, down-the-barrel friction, accuracy and more smoke. Don't leave oiled BBs in the gun after the shoot.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:13 am
I'll post photos of our shoot taken on Sunday this afternoon. Again I was pretty astonished the degree of accuracy and it is fun. I thought shooting at the very small empty Stewart's strawberry milk containers (empty) was more fun than the paper targets as they stay up until hit and then go down with a resounding noise and MOST of the impact hit points were pretty much in the center of the 2" diameter little plastic bottles, plastic screw cap tight on the "target". I'll try Red Ryder's technique on some BBs as I am planning on shooting again myself at the end or beginning of my "work"days. We have a new timber frame building to roof in the next two days at another camp and looking forward to seeing that job done!

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:23 pm
Here's some BB Gun photos if I can get them loaded.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:25 pm
Both my youngest grandson and his half brother (10 years old) own Red Ryder BB Guns. So really they are both veterans.
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I was very surprised how accurate the Daisy 75 anniv. Red Ryder is!
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 2:31 pm
My youngest grandson is 6'2" and still the Red Ryder fits pretty good and he is an excellent shot with it. We did pretty much start shooting at 10 to 18 meters. At 5 meters the Red Ryder is incredibly easy to hit pretty much right where you want to.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 7:31 pm
You did good with the pics. Curious.....why are all shooters triggering with grip fingers outside the finger lever? There is firmer control and natural finger curl inside the lever.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:09 pm
They both have big hands. A Winchester 1894 they can fit. A Henry rifle, they can fit. I use my hand in the lever and almost think I'd want to add checkering for greater grip control. I fired 40 shots this afternoon on my own shoot and did not miss the target once shooting offhand. those images though are video and if I have problems with these still photos getting de-tuned, the video would be extreme. I did notice how they were gripping but the Red Ryder doesn't have much free board to slip the fingers in.

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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 8:13 pm
Checking to see if the range is clear. This is Leo my Maine Coon Cat X Persian. He is a REAL hunter. He will accompany in the woods for miles. In fact if I need to go somewhere I have to take my auto because if I leave the clearing on foot, he will follow.
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PostPosted: Mon Jul 13, 2015 9:34 pm
Okay, on settling the finger lever concern. Now, a cat that acts more like a dog. Unlike dogs, most cats couldn't care less where the parent goes. It's all about what's in the bowl and nap time.

Thanks some more for posting the pics.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:30 am
Out to start work at the farm. It is late @5:30am. A little earlier the coyotes were howling off in the distance. They do not venture over here often. Wonder why? This is the target I have been using most for the Red Ryder. 2" wide at the base.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:39 am
The loading gate detail photo and another of the Red Ryder. I have only the Daisy cardboard BB tubes at present as I read they were easier to load.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 8:09 am
The tubes are much easier to load. Just tilt and pore. The tube BBs might be prelubed. I don't target shoot the RR as often as I should. My target is the redhead scorpion. They are a nuisance.

Have five other vintage Daisy's that I shoot on occasion to keep the parts moving.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 9:46 am
I am going to slightly oil about forty BBs left in a cardboard tube to try your technique. We don't have scorpions or any poisonous snakes here at all. I would never have bought the BB Gun (and then our group ended up with about 8 of them) without your posts. I actually plan now on keeping one of these for my own use. I do think they are good for reinforcing some off hand shooting principles. Joe Murfin's book, Daisy It All Starts Here has some shooting tactics that the military used when it was using BB guns that I myself use when field shooting and in quick handling tactics in engaging targets.
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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 4:44 pm
I'm glad you grabbed the RR batch. You and your boys will enjoy them for many years. They are excellent bonding tools that are fun to share.

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PostPosted: Tue Jul 14, 2015 5:24 pm
I was AMAZED by how fun they are to shoot. They are also good at enforcing good shooting techniques. I guess i might have been more questioning of putting the fingers in the lever, etc. With Leo ( the big cat) doing the first range sweep I was already in the "I'm a tourist" mode.

With bolt action rifles I tend to get quite "instructive" but again BB Guns are new to me. Amazing though how much fun they are. Also inexpensive.

In contrast I spent part of my last few days with fellow Native Americans who wanted to see a Native American tribute lever action rifle and that cause failed totally. Henry went to the "five leading families" and no agreements could be reached. Now maybe it will be an Wilderness Homestead model .22 lever action?

If it hadn't been for Red Ryder here on this forum I never would have owned or tried a BB Gun! His commentary and assistance are GREATLY appreciated!

I might even be a better iron sight shooter than I was drifting towards due to very little use of those in recent years. Although all of my military Expert Badges were iron sight shooting.
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A new Colt Peacemaker "Duke" CO2 BB revolver is now available from most air gun vendors.
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2015 Winchester .45 CO2 model 11 BB by Daisy.
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