Rarest pre 64 model 70


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What is the rarest gun caliber combination in the pre 64 model 70? I believe it is the Model 70 in the "standard grade" in .308 winchester. I remember back in the early 80's Bedlan's had one advertised in the shotgun news new in the box for $5,000.00. I wish I would have bought it because I have heard it is worth 10 times that amount today. Anyone have any production numbers on this one? I have been told there are only 3 known.
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My guess would be the standard weight in .358. Of course there is only one of the pre-64's with a transistor radio inlaid into the buttstock, currently in a museum collection, but you can't really count that one! Next on my list would be the .458 African, but I've seen a couple of those, commanding large dollars.
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Howdy Keith, where you been buddy?
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Hey, redryder! Just sort of laying low, trying not to draw too much attention! Forgot to mention the other day that I came across a pre-64 in .220 Swift at a gunshow a few weeks sgo; we can add that to the somewhat rare caliber list! Hope all is well in Louisiana, should be on your watch! Didn't hear much about the hurricane getting to your neighborhood so I guess Pollock is still there. Be well, my friend, keep your eye on the skyline!
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The storm was south of my area. All is well here. Hope the same with you.

Congratulations on the .220. I favor pre-64 guns and blades.
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9x57 Mauser , only made in 1937.
7.65 Argentine , only made in 1937
.308 Winchester was a special order from 1952-1963
.358 Winchester , only made from 1955-1958
All are considered very rare in the pre 64 Model 70 . My guess would be the 9x57 as the rarest.

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(Impressive herd you have Eddie.) Ignore comment to left. Worthy of respect from the pre 64 community.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:24 pm
redryder wrote:Impressive herd you have Eddie. Worthy of respect from the pre 64 community.



Not mine . Just a listing of the rarest of the standard pre 64 models . I don't own a one of those and would not pay the price to get into the club of those that do. I think $5000 would be rock bottom price on the cheapest of them. Sorry for the confusion. Only M70 I own is A WSSM .243 . My dad had a Pre 64 .264 Mag in the 70's but sold it at some point. I'm not much into super collectables . I hunt my stuff and don't like to have to be overly cautious about how I use them.

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Hmmmmmm..I'll modify my post to meet my error.
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PostPosted: Sat Oct 22, 2016 5:47 pm
There's a couple more I could add. The 338 Alaskan and the 264 Westerner already mentioned. I've seen several 264's but only one 338 in all my years. I had forgotten about tge 308 special order status; I have a 1953 308 featherweight (aluminum floorplate and buttplate) . I'm not sure how rare the 300 H&H would be, but it's hard to find one that hasn't been rechambered to 300 Weatherby Magnum.

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keith wrote:There's a couple more I could add. The 338 Alaskan and the 264 Westerner already mentioned. I've seen several 264's but only one 338 in all my years. I had forgotten about tge 308 special order status; I have a 1953 308 featherweight (aluminum floorplate and buttplate) . I'm not sure how rare the 300 H&H would be, but it's hard to find one that hasn't been rechambered to 300 Weatherby Magnum.



.264 Mag 1959-1964 Regular production $2000.00 Nib
.300 H&H 1937-1963 Regular production $3598.00 Nib
.338 Win Mag 1959-1963 Sp Order only $2144.00 Nib
7x57 Mauser 1937-1949 Regular Production $6970.00 Nib
.35 Remington 1941-1947 Limited Production $Very Rare
.300 Savage 1944-1950 Limited Production $ Very Rare

In the reference I have, all the cartridges listed as very rare are listed with no price. Prices listed are average going rate for 2013 so I am sure they are a lot higher now. I don't know that much about Pre 64 Model 70's but I have a big stack of reference books going back to the 50's and I can read :mrgreen: . The ones in these two posts are the rarest calibers . I think the 9x57 would not have been a big seller in the US as Americans back in those days were not real big on the Metric calibers. The 7mm would have been more familiar to them due to the large number of bring back's and cheap surplus Mausers and Rolling Block Remington's that were then on the market.

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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:14 am
I think one could add the .250 savage to that list also.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 12:24 am
bob lewis wrote:I think one could add the .250 savage to that list also.



Was listed a standard production from 1937- 1949 with a Nib price of $5433 . High value but does not seem to be a rarity.
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PostPosted: Fri Oct 28, 2016 11:24 pm
Eddie, why does it command that kind of price if not at least some what rare, just curious.
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bob lewis wrote:Eddie, why does it command that kind of price if not at least some what rare, just curious.


Hi Bob,
I think it's considered more common than a special order or low production caliber but less common than say a 30-06 or a .270 . Popularity drives demand ( and prices ) so It may be because it is a very popular cartridge in fairly high demand . I love it and have intended to buy a Ruger chambered for it . Were I a collector of Pre 64 Model 70's it would be pretty high on my list of must haves . Colt Pythons are not rare but are in high demand and to me bring crazy prices for a somewhat better ( my opinion ) than average .357 revolver .

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 09, 2016 2:07 pm
Thanks Eddie!
Sorry about the lag in reply,. I'm not a huge collector, more of a shooter I do have a 59xx .30'06 and a 21xxx was '06.
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bob lewis wrote:Thanks Eddie!
Sorry about the lag in reply,. I'm not a huge collector, more of a shooter I do have a 59xx .30'06 and a 21xxx was '06.



I'm not a collector either Bob . If I didn't like to reload as much as I do I would most likely only own 1 each Rifle, Shotgun, and pistol . :mrgreen:

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Some unbelievable prices there...

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PostPosted: Mon Mar 12, 2018 5:10 am
I'll add a few to the list
30-30
22 rf
7.92 mm
7.62
6mm-308
22 special
25 special
27 special
7.65
9mm
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:09 am
keith wrote:There's a couple more I could add. The 338 Alaskan and the 264 Westerner already mentioned. I've seen several 264's but only one 338 in all my years. I had forgotten about tge 308 special order status; I have a 1953 308 featherweight (aluminum floorplate and buttplate) . I'm not sure how rare the 300 H&H would be, but it's hard to find one that hasn't been rechambered to 300 Weatherby Magnum.


I still have a 1942 vintage model 70 chambered in .300 H&H. Its my favorite hunting rifle by far.
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 16, 2018 6:11 am
I heard that .300 savage was about the rarest chambering.

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PostPosted: Sun Mar 18, 2018 2:50 am
300 Savage is only the rarest CATALOG model 70
300 h&h is 5th most common cal made in the pre 64 model 70
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PostPosted: Fri Mar 23, 2018 5:45 am
Too bad most of the .300 H&H rifles were re-chambered, finding one unaltered is getting nearly impossible.

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